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    No. They deserved to be in jail and therefore I don't think they should be a part of the society nor have the right to choose until they're out. In fact, prisoners should be forced to work for their stay, not just sit there for taxpayers money. For a good, law abiding taxpayers money.

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    If they're bad enough that they have to be taken out of society, they shouldn't get a chance to re-enter society, be a part of or have a say in any part of it, just be done with them. There are good decent willing families who are barely scraping by that could use the extra help, yet the govt would rather waste it on people who don't even deserve to wake up for one more day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firedrake View Post
    If they're bad enough that they have to be taken out of society, they shouldn't get a chance to re-enter society, be a part of or have a say in any part of it, just be done with them. There are good decent willing families who are barely scraping by that could use the extra help, yet the govt would rather waste it on people who don't even deserve to wake up for one more day.
    17/18th century england had pretty much that policy - virtually all crimes were punishable with death. Eventually we realised that this was a bit too extreme, and commuted most sentences to transportation to your fair land for life

    Unless you want to keep building prisons, or have the death penalty (or have a convenient land far away), at some point many prisoners *will* be released. Hence the need to work out how to stop them committing further crimes and becoming law-abiding members of society.

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    Yes but to get rid of the death penalty for things like rape, child molesting, murder etc, was the worst decision ever. Most of those things are repeated the second they get out.
    Given the population growth, we have no need for those people, therefore a bullet is just so much quicker...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firedrake View Post
    Yes but to get rid of the death penalty for things like rape, child molesting, murder etc, was the worst decision ever. Most of those things are repeated the second they get out.
    Given the population growth, we have no need for those people, therefore a bullet is just so much quicker...
    The death penalty can only be justified if you can be 100% certain that the correct individual is convicted (and that a crime has happened). Since that is impossible (and in the UK there have been many high-profile cases of wrongful conviction), the best alternative is to substitute life in prison, without possibility of parole. At least that allows for release in the case of an incorrect conviction, with compensation.

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    All of the literature I've read on the death penalty has pretty effectively show that there is zero reason for it to continue in modern society. It's purpose it literally to show that the government is bigger and badder than you (and has ultimate power over its civilians) and to appease a society baying for blood. Oh, and to oppress societies, as see in places such as China.

    The death penalty (as run in America at least) is more expensive than life time imprisonment; that's right, it's more cost effective to keep them locked up forever than to lop off their heads. So the argument of 'the governments would rather spend money on prisoners than the poor'? Yeah, that's in favour of life imprisonment, not the death penalty.

    Also, did you know, that countries with a death penalty have higher crime rates? And countries that abolished capital punishment saw drops in crime rates? So no death penalty means less crime.

    Capital punishment exists to serve two purposes in justice; deterrence and incapacitation. It fails in the former (it act as the opposite; when people realise their crimes will result in the chair, they tend to think 'well, in for a penny, in for a pound'). It does succeed in incapacitation but there are other forms of punishment that also do this that do not have the multitude of problems that the death penalty has.

    Basically, the death penalty will get you no where.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester View Post

    Basically, the death penalty will get you no where.
    Absolutely agree. Anyone needing a reminder of how pointless it is, the phrase "better be hung for a sheep than a lamb" accurately reflected the views when everything carried the death penalty.

    It is also worth noting that the biblical instruction of "an eye for an eye" was an early attempt at *reducing* the severity of punishment - not increasing it. It attempted to curb the mob tendency to exact extreme revenge on not just the criminal but also their family and friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firedrake View Post
    Yes but to get rid of the death penalty for things like rape, child molesting, murder etc, was the worst decision ever. Most of those things are repeated the second they get out.
    Given the population growth, we have no need for those people, therefore a bullet is just so much quicker...
    How would you feel if you were the one who flipped the switch on a wrongly convicted person? Would you apologise to their family?

    All the death penalty is going to do is screw people up, it doesn't work as an any more effective deterrent, also it will just kill off the poorer people who just have convictions thrust upon them and can't afford proper legal support to prove that they were actually innocent.

    Just another way to kill poor people to make rich people happy.
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    They lost their authority to vote when they committed the crime imo.

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