School and piercings!!! Not a gd combination!!!

[losthighway]

Why do schools have to be so evil when it comes to piercings?

Do they think we get them for free? lol Nar we have to pay for them (for any teachers who have lost their way and are on this website) I lost one of my top ear piercings because of school, i was proper gutted. Now this is gonna sound immature but neva mind! I think the teachers need to get into the modern day and i find it really, really annoying when teachers come to school with nose studs and 5 earings in each ear when we are only allowed one stud or ring in each ear, and NO other piercings!!!

My school says always stand up for what is right even if your standing alone and i'm gonna take that advice and use it wisely in school. I know i probly sound like a knob but i don't see why me having payed £200 on piercings should have to take them out and i just want to know other peoples oppions on what they think schools should do about piercing.

Thxs for reading this people!!! But i aint throwing away any more of my money because the school don't like them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rox]

Why do schools have to be so evil when it comes to piercings?

Safety would be number one reason, I would have thought.

However, I do think teachers should stick to the same rules, they did have to at my schools; only studs allowed in lobe piercings. That applied to absolutely anyone in the school.

Also you do know before you get a piercing that your school are going to make you take the jewellery out, so it's not exactly a suprise. There's plenty of time to get piercings later on, there's no hurry!

[MMCL]

I agree with Roxy...

Put it this way - someone gets pissed off with you and sees you with your shiny new piercing. The first thing they will do is try to rip it out... young people can be right nasty when they want to.

[gem]

i agree, most piercings cant be considered a safety hazard and they dont distract people from learning, we dont go to school by choice we have to go there so surely they cant tell us what we can and cant decorate ourselves with? they also add that what we do in our own time is up to us...well yeah, in our own time we get pierced, and it was up to us, so surely they should have no problem with it? its not like we're setting up piercing studio's in the middle of a lesson

[.Forget.This.Soul.]

None of the teachers in my school mind about piercings, appart from the new Deputy Head (Who looks like Rimmer from Red Dwarf Lol.)
So, our little group go out and get pierced just to really piss him off, my latest was my lip, and he hates it

[KissMe,ImContagious]

well its the same reason why we have uniform aint it, and no jewellery

because its a fashion statement, which can cause bullying, provoke fights, ect

its just pretty much uniform, some kids cant afford real decent clothes so they could get bullied, or some kid might buy some new clothes that are super expensive, and ruin them with paint or something and hold the school reliable.
Eyebrow piercings can be a piercing for one group of people, lip piercings for another, conflict between two groups

that is why my good friend.

But still. im agaisnt school uniform, even if you do get bullied for what you wear, it happens, it snot the end of the world, just gott alive withit, i had to. i turned out fine?

[lovcryhate]

Every one so far appears to be taking what most teachers say on face value, which is in essence said to justify a totalitarian regime with liberalistic propaganda.

Schools are loosely run on the same basis as the army, to keep discipline:

1. School Uniform

2. Restricted haircuts

3. Control of movement (you must go out side during brake, you must be at this class at this time)

4. Restriction of what jewelry can be worn (including piercing)

5. Only calling the teachers sir/miss or there second name (imagine what a teacher would say if you told them you would only respond if they called you sir)

6. Imprisonment if you disobey any of these rules (detention)

The entire system is set up so you conform, it makes you do so many things their way that people only quibble and moan about the little things. Schools treat students like they are peasants which need to be controlled to prevent them rebelling.

I don't think this is unique to just schools though, communities like to preserve the norm, look what happened to the guy/girl who quibbled about the no "adult" pictures rule. I didn't agree with what they had to say. However rather than tackling what they said people went after them as a person i.e. attacking their inability to spelling and calling them names.

[Just as interesting side note. I went back to look to check to see if it was guy or a gal but they seemed to be completely asexual. Yet every one seemed to assume it was a chap. Perhaps people feel happier attacking a man.]

Bullies pick on soft targets, that is all to do with personality and nothing to do with wether you can or can't afford a piece of clothing. Its an unpleasant truth that people who get bullied rarely deserve it but frequently are responsible for it.

[MMCL]

I have the deepest respect for you LCH...but I disagree completely. For the purposes of this post I use the word children to represent minors, as described by the law. I mean no offense or disrespect in the following...

There are very good reasons for all of the comparisons between schools and army-life that you make, but there are very big differences (you wouldn't get shot or tried as a traitor for bunking off school). The army builds soldiers in units. They have to work together, think together and act together. It is the very nature of the job, and that job is done more efficiently with the rules laid down. You cannot have a soldier on the front lines questioning the decisions of the generals. This is the nature of the training that soldiers go through. The training breaks them down mentally and rebuilds them they way they NEED to be to ensure their role is fulfilled in the way it needs to be.
The army doesn't want individuals - it wants bodies.

Rules are part of a civilised soceity - if everybody did what they wanted with no care or regard for others then only chaos would ensue. Children, with their boundary-pushing nature, need rules else you will find yourself in an uber-bullying Lord of the Flies scenario - soceity is much the same in general. School is about preparing people for life and just because you can't see the reason for a rule doesn't mean the rule doesn't have a reason/consequence. You go to school to learn, just the way caveman daddy would teach his children the rules. skills and needs of their soceity.

Your arguments are those that would be seemingly made by the oppressed in the situations mentioned (school and adult pictures) and therefore biased. If children were able to follow all the rules of the adult world then I assume that schools would relax their attitudes to many of the things you describe.

Children, in general, lack the foresight of consequence and reaction. Children, in general, lack the understanding of value. Where you see oppression, I see the following:

1, 2 & 4) School Uniform/Restricted Haircuts/Jewellery - Used to make children lose their individuality so that the poor children and rich children cannot be identified as such - thus limiting bullying and stealing. You cannot argue over who has the right trainers or wrong jeans if you are all wearing the same thing.

3) Restricted movement - Ultimately used to ensure that no damage comes to the school or the children. Since teachers cannot monitor the children the whole time it is easier to allow the children their own space and freedom outside (but still within the school grounds). Also, it allows children time to let off steam and ensure when they return to work, that they are ready to learn. Finally it helps with the social development in that 'play' and 'play with others' is an essential part of growing up and learning social skills.

5) This is a sign or respect by youngers for elders and is IMO part of where soceity is going wrong.

6) By restricting the children's time it aims to punish the child into the correct behaviour (much the same as doing lines would but more severly). In what other way should children who break rules be punished?

Concerning the adult pictures thing... making a constructive argument for your point shows maturity. The argument the person made was a fair argument but ultimately wrong in that it showed the poster to be immature and appear uneducated - the mere fact he posted here meant that he could view all the pictures anyway. The policy of BJS was clearly stated and people attacked the person because his lack of spelling/grammar made his argument immature.

Bullies pick on soft targets, that is all to do with personality and nothing to do with wether you can or can't afford a piece of clothing. Its an unpleasant truth that people who get bullied rarely deserve it but frequently are responsible for it.

I agree that bullies do pick on soft targets but IMO it is not the target that is responsible for the bullying. Children must learn respect (for themselves, each other and their elders) - and it is the breakdown of that respect that causes bullying. It is not unique to schools as it happens later in adult life - in the work place and such.

Each person should make it their aim to treat others fairly and with respect - and that MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE will improve soceity.

[pagan debbie]

well said mmcl! I was bullied for years at school, I didnt ask for it, and I wasn'twhat I call a soft target either, I buckled down to work, conformed to the rules, and certainly wasn't not capable of handling meself! But because I was a big heavy kid at school, they seemed to take great delight at picking on me, until they realised i was big because I was a boxer! then they they stopped!.As for jewellry in schools...SAFETY...I was a teaching assistant for a while and saw so many of the things ripped out....not a nice sight to see a child screaming in pain and agony, and the fact that theyre mams would knock seven kinds outta them for it!.....the rules are there for a reason...honestly...seen it done it! got 2 kids of me own, and if they rip theyre uniform, well hey no probs, at least it wasnt their really good gear they knacked!

[Rox]

Total agreement with MMCL.
Everything I wanted to say but in an eloquent way

You need boundaries in life, whether imposed or voluntary. For example, schools impose boundaries partly to promote an atmospere conducive to learning, and partly to instill a social conscience and respect for others. Part of growing up is learning an acceptable way of behaving, and for this you need to be told where boundaries lie.

Respect for others is an incredibly important part of life, which seems to be sadly lacking in a vast number of people. One way of showing respect is by having manners - calling your teacher sir/miss etc is one example of this. Everyone deserve respect whether you think they do or not. This means respect for similarities and differences - whether this is age, sex, profession, race, disability etc.

You may think it is ok for everyone to behave as they like and do what they want when they want, but I do not. Switch on the news and you'll see why.